Are you trying to figure out the secret to feeling beautiful, vital and calm, while finding your inner peace? Well this episode of The Pro-Aging Podcast is for you!
On this episode, I get to talk about one of my favorite topics: Transcendental Meditation. Not only do I get to speak about the topic, I get to interview one of the OG’S in the TM space, Mr. Bob Roth.
Bob Roth is one of the most experienced and sought-after meditation leaders in America. Over the past 45 years, Bob has taught Transcendental Meditation to many thousands of people As CEO of the David Lynch Foundation, Bob has helped bring Transcendental Meditation to more than one million students in underserved schools in 35 countries, to military veterans and their families who suffer from post-traumatic stress, and to women and children who are survivors of domestic violence.
We speak about what the David Lynch Foundation is doing during COVID times for everyone in need and what TM really is about. You have heard about this in my book, “The Pro-Aging Playbook,” and Bob has always been such a big part of my life when I started doing Transcendental Meditation 8 years ago.
I really want to use this information to help people become the best versions of themselves! Enjoy!
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Are you trying to figure out the secret to feeling beautiful, vital and calm, while finding your inner peace? Well this episode of The Pro-Aging Podcast is for you!
On this episode, I get to talk about one of my favorite topics: Transcendental Meditation. Not only do I get to speak about the topic, I get to interview one of the OG’S in the TM space, Mr. Bob Roth.
Bob Roth is one of the most experienced and sought-after meditation leaders in America. Over the past 45 years, Bob has taught Transcendental Meditation to many thousands of people As CEO of the David Lynch Foundation, Bob has helped bring Transcendental Meditation to more than one million students in underserved schools in 35 countries, to military veterans and their families who suffer from post-traumatic stress, and to women and children who are survivors of domestic violence.
We speak about what the David Lynch Foundation is doing during COVID times for everyone in need and what TM really is about. You have heard about this in my book, “The Pro-Aging Playbook,” and Bob has always been such a big part of my life when I started doing Transcendental Meditation 8 years ago.
I really want to use this information to help people become the best versions of themselves! Enjoy!
Follow this link to learn more about TM! learntm.org/drpauljarrodfrank
Follow me on all social platforms for more:
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Hello friends. I'm Dr. Paul, Jerry Frank cosmetic dermatologist author, and wellness enthusiast. And you're listening to the pro aging podcasts together. We discuss how to find the best version of ourselves. Talking to my network of experts from all disciplines we learned to become active participants in making the most of how we look and feel, getting us to join the journey and enjoy the ride
Speaker 2:Are friends episode number six. And today we are talking about one of my most favorite topics, transcendental meditation. And I literally have one of the gurus of transcendental meditation, who I have been following for a very long time. Um, Mr. Bob Roth, now he is not only a teacher. He's a well renowned author and he is the CEO of the David Lynch foundation, which we talk about throughout the podcast. What the David Lynch foundation does outreaches to veterans in schools and people in need, and basically everyone that's in need. And what transcendental really is about, you've heard about this in my book, the pro aging playbook, and it has always been such a big part of my life when I first learned how to do it a years ago. And I've tried so much both in my practice, in my office, in my book, on my podcast to use this information, to really help people become a better version of themselves and live the pro aging lifestyle. That's exactly what Bob brought does. Not only does he do it for himself for the last 50 years, but he does it to enhance other people's lives. And that's why he's such an inspirational guy. So you're going to hear a lot about Bob Roth and transcendental meditation. And most importantly, how you all can incorporate it into your life, get ready. Well, hello friends, you know, today, I got a secret for you. Are you trying to figure out a secret to feeling beautiful? How about vitality? Do we all want to have vitality? How about inner peace, calm and just being the best version of ourselves? Well, if you've read the ProGene playbook or you know me, or you've listened to me before, you may know what this is, but the secret transcendental meditation. Now, most of you know what this is, but it is mine like several million people around the world. It is a practice that we do for ourselves twice a day, 20 minutes a day, very simply. And if you know me, it is part of my secret sauce. It changed my life eight years ago for the better. And it comes from within, it's not a fancy diet. It's not in a needle that I inject into people's faces. Uh, it's not an exercise routine. It is something that is simply taught consistently around the world and is accessible to everybody. And the best surprise of today is who have with me to talk about that journey, Mr. Bob Roth, he is one of the most familiar names with the transcendental meditation movement. He is the OJI. He is the grand Poobah, and he has several titles to his name. First and foremost, he is a teacher. He has taught tens of thousands of people, transcendental meditation. He is a bestselling author. He is also CEO of the David Lynch foundation, who has taught me and has taught up to millions of people around the world. People who are seeking it and people who are in need of transcendental meditation. And he's just one of those guys that spends his days changing people's lives and making them the best version of themselves. And I couldn't think of a better person to be have on the pro aging podcast that someone just like this. So, Bob, I hope that was a good introduction for you. Thank you so much for, for being on my podcast really well. It's wonderful to be on your show
Speaker 3:And I admire the work that you do, and I'm grateful for the opportunity to
Speaker 2:Talk with the people who trust you. Now. I'm really hoping you're a popular guy. I hope we get as many listens as you and Katy Perry. You know what I mean? I know they all came for you. Okay. At least three or four. Yeah. So, you know, I know most of the people might not know me, my patients, my listeners, to people who have read my book, they've heard about my journey, you know, which started eight years ago. And just one of those typical people who were very fortunate, their whole lives that I just felt like I had so much, but I lived with such frustration. And, uh, as a birthday gift to my wife, not only did I give her the gift of getting trained, the gift was that I would do it with her. And as a Western physician, I was one of those guys who was like, yeah, transcendental meditation. It's like spiritual LIDAR, blah, blah, blah. I really knew very little about it, but I did the most important thing we could all do in life, which is keep an open mind. And ever since those eight years have passed, it's transformed me into a, you know, what I think is pretty great guy. And most importantly filled with joy. Um, I know a question I have for you, which I'm sure so many people ask you is what brought you to it. How, when, why, tell me your story. Okay.
Speaker 3:I'm happy to, but I have to get that. Is your wife happy
Speaker 2:That you learned, Oh my God, she's about your wife. She's still married to me. That's the most important thing. Um, yeah, she is. I mean, we do it together. We do it with you, uh, on your phone calls. We do it separately. And, um, yeah, no, it's really changed our lives. We've got our children doing it. They're not as good. Sometimes they roll their eyes, but they're always better off when they do it with us. I have a, um, a 15 year old son and a 12 year old girl. And you know, it's now part of our lives like brushing our teeth and exercising and watching what we eat and going to work every day.
Speaker 3:Well, I think, you know, with the work that you're doing on pro aging and just your book and everything, and now with TM, I think you're ahead of the curve. And I'm going to answer your question in just a second, but I think that your experience today within three or four years is going to be common because I think transcendental meditation is going to be understood and incorporated, uh, by more and more people, whether it's part of the healthcare system, reimbursable through insurance companies, offered companies. I think it's just a matter of time, but I congratulate you eight years ago seeing its value and really being a thought leader on the whole. I, I, uh, learned to meditate. I was a college student, just somebody, you know, 18 year old college kid going to school full-time and working full-time with the usual disruptions that take place during your first year away at college, except this was on steroids because it was in the late sixties and I was not a druggie or a hippie. I just wanted to get a good education and do something to change the world. I had worked for Bobby Kennedy when I was a high school student. So a pretty stressed out guy. My dad was a med is a med, was a medical doctor. So I was skeptic science based mind wasn't into any new age-y sorts of Wu stuff. But a lot of people I knew were who I respected were doing something called transcendental meditation. So I decided to learn it. And, you know, within the first few days I got such a deep state of relaxation from the meditation. And I'm, as I said, a skeptical guy and tight was tightly wound, but it was so significant that I realized at that time it was going to be an important part of my life. And it has been, it's been over 50 years and a few years later I became a teacher and I've been teaching it ever since. So I learned it for the reason most people learn it, which is better health, less stress, uh, more of a greater focus on ability to focus sharply and also an inner content and an inner happiness. Yeah,
Speaker 2:No, I was similar to you. I was like one of those people who's like, I'll never get hypnotized. I'll never get hit and you're out. It's unbelievable. It really, it hit, it hit me like that. My wife and other people that I've turned onto the David Lynch foundation. You know, some people, some people, it takes a little time. It's tough to let go of those constraints that we wrap our heads around and to just let your body do what it's supposed to do. Um, and I think one of the things you've taught me and the David Lynch foundation is that it doesn't have to go the same way for everybody.
Speaker 3:No, everybody's physiology is different and, and transcendental meditation at every moment, it's different, different hormones, different, um, neurotransmitters, different insights, just different. And so transcendental meditation is not one of these is not one of these things that tries to impose like a hypnosis or even certain types of meditation where you try and force your mind to be calm, like waves on the surface of the ocean, trying to stop the waves in transcendental meditation. We just effortlessly access that calm, that lies underneath the waves. It's always there, we've just lost access. And so that process of diving within of settling down is so natural and it's different every single time, but it doesn't matter because every, even in a shallow dive, we get wet. That's why we're doing it
Speaker 2:Refreshment. And you know, I love how every time I hear you speak, particularly now, you really focus on the science of things. Now, again, I'm a physician, you know, most people, they come to me for more aesthetic cosmetic things, but I really try and focus on the whole picture because I think feeling good, looking good, they're not mutually exclusive things, but what attracted me most about transcendental meditation is that it has so much scientific basis. There were so many studies and I believe all forms of meditation, correct me if I wrong were originally rooted in some sort of spiritual or, or religious type of movement. And what point the transcendental meditation become more of a scientific motion movement where you, it wasn't people didn't have to worry about, you know, going to some sort of religious type of event.
Speaker 3:It's a great question. I think that in its origin, it was, it had nothing to do. I mean, transcendental meditation is not a religion, not a religious practice. And in its original, it was not a religion. It was a practice that anyone could do. Thousands of is this predates Hinduism and Buddhism and Catholicism, Judaism. It just was a practice. You did it. And then I think it got, you know, religious movements or philosophical movements adopted it and sort of wrapped their garb around it. And, you know, and maybe to, to enhance the religious experience. And I think what's happened today is just, it's going back to its original state, which is, it's not a religion. There's nothing to believe in. It's a, it's a neurophysiological practice. People who practice, who have a religion find that they benefits the benefits. They appreciate their own religion, more people who don't have a religion just sort of want to live in harmony with nature. If you want to use that term, uh, they find that easier. So I think it's just going back to its original roots. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it is probably the most scientifically studied form of meditation. Correct? I mean, I know blood pressure, anxiety, post-traumatic stress. I mean, there's so many aspects and even a guy like me who, you know, I haven't done the studies, but I guarantee you, Bob, it makes you look objectively better when you're peaceful, when you're happy, I have had patients and I tell this story in the pro aging playbook where I do the same things to them consistently and they do okay, but there's always some level of dissatisfaction. Can you do more? Can you do this? And I speak to them about exercise and losing weight and meditating and focusing on relationships. And sometimes people listen and they come back and they think I've done something different, something better. And it was the meditation. It was changing their lives that made them feel more beautiful.
Speaker 3:Well, I've been, I'm 70 years old. I mean, you look 22, but no, I, and I never get sick. I have more energy now than I had when I was in my twenties and thirties. I've been meditating for 50 years and people go 50 years. How could you meditate for 50 years? I said, I've been brushing my teeth longer than that. You know, it's just part of the life. It's just, and people also say, well, 20 minutes, twice a day, how do you find the time? And I say, well, there's 1,440 minutes in a day. And we're talking about 40 minutes out of 1000, 440 for some profound and natural, effortless, enjoyable self care. What better investment could you make?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean, that's what people always say. How do you find the time? Because you know, I look like a very busy guy. I'm a very busy guy. I got a lot of things going on, but I'm just like, I don't forget to brush my teeth. I don't forget to shower. Maybe I'll forget to brush my teeth sometimes, but I try not to forget to meditate. You get reminded pretty quick. Yeah, exactly. And I just say, you know, you'd be shocked at how much more time you find when you're able to get through the static of life. And that's what transcendental meditation does. Um, I wanted to talk about some of the amazing stuff that David Lynch foundation does. Cause I've been to many of your events. I've had the opportunity to shake your hand and be around amazing people. Um, people in need celebrities, normal people trying to better themselves. I know who are in need. Oh yes, that's true. That's right. Celebrities. Aren't in need. Right. Of course, of course we all are. And I think that's the common thread, but you do work with veterans and correctional facilities and underprivileged or abused people. And, um, I think there it's, it's, uh, you know, we're now just realizing that this is such an important component to philanthropy is teaching transcendental meditation. What are some of the current stuff that you're working on with David Lynch?
Speaker 3:Well, the foundation was started 16 years ago to bring this evidence-based meditation technique to at-risk under-resourced populations, vulnerable populations. And we started with kids and, um, children who are growing up in the U S in, uh, crime ridden neighborhoods, internationally and war torn neighborhoods. We've now provided scholarships for a million kids to learn to meditate, do TM for free. We're working with veterans tens of thousands of veterans. We're starting a study right now in nine veteran VA hospitals around the country, looking at the effects of TM and its effects on the brain for suicide, for post-traumatic stress, for depression, anxiety, insomnia, substance use disorder. The purpose of the study, this large-scale study is to secure government funding so that like it's called Tri-Care, that's the insurance company for veterans and military active duty military. So that any veteran, the million vets with PTSD can learn to meditate the F they can have a prescription for their value or their high blood pressure medication and have it reimbursed well, the same thing with TM and we're working with, um, as you said, women and children who are survivors of domestic violence, but one of the areas that we're most excited about now is a frontline frontline healthcare providers. And so we're in 25 hospitals around the country are doing major research studies, again, research on burnout, resilience, anxiety, such that TM can be covered by self, by insurance companies, for anybody who's suffering from stress.
Speaker 2:I mean, you, you took the words out of my mouth because as a healthcare provider, but also as a COVID victim, who's sick in March. And I was on home oxygen and I had friends, hospitals tell me, don't come here. We're going to, they're going to intubate you. I was really for 14 days with a hundred, 3.5 fever, I was in my mind saying goodbye to people. It was a very tough time. And the post-traumatic stress, uh, that still comes out. TM has really helped me. I mean, listen, listening to you doing the daily medicine meditations twice a day really helped me. Not even so much more after I got better than even when I was sick. I must say it was really the first time ever that it was difficult. I was so sick. It was difficult to meditate. Um, but it really has been so useful. So I could attest to not only being a health care provider, but also being a victim of something that, uh, how important it is has the government over the last, since you've been CEO have PE has the government and insurance have people been more reasonable,
Speaker 3:Very much more responsive. And one of the reasons is this whole issue of mental health is coming to the forefront. And, you know, as a physician that understanding the pathology of a disease, the origins of a disease in the physical body, it is much greater scientific understanding, Oh, you have an infection, let's do this mental issues of anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, all these different, they don't really know what's going on. Yeah. So the medications are sort of cut. You use the word cosmetic, they do call them. They can calm the anxiety for some people or calm the depression, but it doesn't get to the root cause. Now they're finding with transcendental meditation, that here's a simple technique practice, 15, 20 minutes, twice a day, sitting comfortably in a chair with your eyes closed. You learn from a trained teacher, takes about an hour a day over four days. Very simple. You, your body gains a state of rest and relaxation in many regards, deeper than the deepest part of deep sleep. While you're active thinking, mine just has a chance to just settle down a bit. And that experience, they call it restful alertness transformative to your mind and body
Speaker 2:Is the foundation and all the centers dealing with all the uptick in students. I mean, are you doing zoom courses? How are, how are you training people?
Speaker 3:Well, the schools, it's a pretty tough thing because it's, the kids are in school. They're out of school, they're in school, they're out of school. So we're not really in a position to teach a lot more children through the schools. But the kids who have learned that tens of thousands of kids who have learned we're following up with them, you know, as they wish, um, online. Okay.
Speaker 2:What about at the centers at the center?
Speaker 3:The center, the centers are active. The transcendental meditation is as you know, Paul is not a, um, mass meditation where you just sort of, you know, listen to a guided this and they tell you what to do a breathing thing. This is a real gold standard high touch. So the technique is taught. It takes about an hour a day or so over four consecutive days. And the first day is always in personal instruction. One-to-one the next days can be in per, in person or else. It can now be remote, but one-to-one, and we're socially distancing. And we're teaching people all over the country. It's a slow down in some regards, but picked up another regard. So it's such a confusing time, such a confusing time for people right now. And what greater tool to have to add to your arsenal. Then the ability to take this profound rested will,
Speaker 2:You know what? I'll remind people out there who are interested. Um, what's amazing is when you get trained it's and I've spoken to people who've been trained by you. Who've been trained in other cities and the things that's really, it's a consistent approach. It's a simple and consistent approach, but it is essential to go through it. This is not something you can learn online. Okay. It's essentially go through the process and it's so universally consistent and simple. Um, and it's essential. And what is really nice about the David Lynch foundation is that there are so many things to get involved in. Once you pay your fee or get your training, you could show up at a David Lynch, found at a center and use it and develop resources, take additional seminars and classes, but it's not like a, you're forced to do anything or buy into anything. And I think that's what a lot of people think about meditation group type of things.
Speaker 3:I am by nature. I don't like to join groups, you know, by nature. I, you know, I, my, my family and I like my own privacy and that lovely thing about transcendental meditation, you don't have to join anything. Yeah. You know, you learn a technique, you take it home with you veterans. I have to say in particular like this Paul, because they're suspicious of groups and you know, they don't like to have group counseling and they don't. So this is a tool they learn over those few days, they take it home with them and they have it for the rest of their lives. And now because of COVID and you mentioned this earlier twice a day, and it gets repeated every day for a year. Now I've been doing these, um, zoom meditations, where it's just a little reminder of the effortlessness of the meditation and then some scientific facts and, you know, 8,000 people join those. But again, you're not joining something you could just anonymously tune in. Right? How have you enjoyed? I mean,
Speaker 2:It's really amazing. And I have to say it's something that was mentioned during my original training eight years ago, I had tried going on one of your original Sundays, cause you traditionally always didn't on Sundays. And then you did this amazing thing. I mean, I'm assuming you're a very busy guy, but you go down to the most essential component of what you do, which is you're a teacher and you're somebody who meditates and you share it with people. And by taking the time out of your life and your schedule to do this for people is just like, it's such a wonderful thing. I mean, I got to thank you endlessly for it. And uh, it's such a great journey. And as Bob says, he, he repeats it throughout the day. So if you can't actually do it live with all the other people, but I did want to talk about this. I believe they call it the Maharishi effect. This kind of like if you meditate with other people, there's something cellular that can go on to affect the world around you. Tell me about that.
Speaker 3:There's a term in physics called the field effects. Field field effects are, I mean, you're here. We do it all the time. We're we're talking right now because of the field effects of the electromagnetic field information is being communicated to the electromagnetic field. You make a phone call on this little cell phone and we don't even think anything about it. And someone is a Mongolian. They pick up the phone, it's not magic. It would have been thought to have been magic 200 years ago. And now we have offenders fields in nature that connects everyone to connect everyone and everything together. Well, the deepest level of life, according to physics that connect us together is the unified field. That's the basis of everything in ancient times, the ancient scientists of meditation consciousness said that's a field of consciousness that underlying everyone in everything is the field consciousness. It sounds a little woo woo, but not not with, from if you talk to a quantum physicist, Oh, it's physics, it's physics. So what we do when we meditate is we just, when I settled down and experience in the most comfortable, gentle way is not a trance. People say, Oh, you meditate for 20 minutes. How do you know when your 20 minutes are up? I say, you look at your watch. You have going anywhere. And you just settle down to the deepest level of your own nature. It turns out that's the deepest level of nature's nature. So interesting. And that connection, that's the level that we all is, beings. We all connect together. And when enough people experience that it has a positive influence, a calming influence in the whole environment. So there's research that shows 1% of a population, meditates practices, TM, social indicators of stress, societal indicators of stress like crime, um, violence, war deaths, all of these things settle down as society becomes calmer. And there's a lot of published research, controlled research that shows that's true. So that's exciting. And I think that's a new area of further explanation of examination by science. That's going to come to the forefront in the next few years.
Speaker 2:My, uh, my 15 year old, every year for the last 10 years, we always got him the Guinness book of records. He loves that thing always going through it. I gotta, I gotta assume. And there's some, there's some crazy stuff in there. I gotta assume there's a record for the number that the highest number of people who are practicing transcendental meditation at work.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I think that they've done for short periods of time. I, I know they had, um, something in Washington, DC, where they had 4,000 people twice a day for two months and they measured crime rate and there was a fallen crime rate. But what we're doing these days for now, uh, 11 months, five, six, seven, 8,000 people nearing 10,000 people twice a day. I think that's near a record. Wow.
Speaker 2:Cause you're meditating too. I'm assume you've meditated in so many different ways throughout your life alone.
Speaker 3:This is, I said this before, what's going on right now with these meditations and 50 years, I've never enjoyed the practice more than I'm enjoying it now. Okay. You sort of feel when it's time, you just sort of feel some settling down don't you can't, you sort of
Speaker 2:Believe your body becomes programmed to it. That's why it's like, and again, there are some times I listened to the recording, but there's nothing better. I really feel like you're in the room with everybody meditating. It's really,
Speaker 3:Yeah. We're all in the room together. I know it's really, it's real. I think that there is an underlying harmony or unity to human beings that stress and tension and frustration, and that covers over and makes the differences dominate. And so it's like a, it's like a, uh, a couple when they're tired and stressed. Nothing good about that relationship. Nothing good. But then you get some rest. I don't know what you're talking about. Then you meditate. It can be a whole family and you just eat better and maybe a vacation and you look at the other person and go, Oh, that's why I've been living with you for all these years. Love unity has a chance to come to the surface. And without that, it's just an intellectual thing. It's just, Oh, I should love my F my family, but when there's stress it's differences. And so the idea with meditation is transcendental meditation. It's a missing link to just, what's something for thousands of years, get rid of reduce the stress. And then when you look at the people around you, you look at them with more compassion and more love rather than anger and fear.
Speaker 2:It changes, it cleans the glasses a little bit and you know, people have to the commitment, is it, the commitment is giving yourself the opportunity to find that settled state. And I think that's the biggest hump for everybody to get over. And I, you know, I always talk about this with like the pro aging lifestyle. The pros you say is that if you give yourself a little opportunity, you'd be amazed at what you could accomplish. And you'd be amazed at how much extra time you have, how much more you can do, how much more you could accomplish as opposed to restricting, restricting, restricting yourself. People used to be about risk. You know, I feel like the world is changing a little bit modern world about how we look at self care. You know, it used to be cool to get less sleep and never have time for family and overwork yourself. And I think we're realizing now that that that program isn't working for the world. And if you give yourself a little bit, you can not only give yourself so much more, but you can give so much more to those around you. And you, you know, unless there's that relationship with the universe and the world and people around you, what are we good for?
Speaker 3:Uh, we, we ended up in our craving desire to be loved and love. And as we're, we're isolated, we're, you know, we're lonely, we're unhealthy, we're sad, we're depressed. And then you, you look at all the advertising, which says you should, this is how you're happy. If you have this, if you look like, if you do this, this, this, this, all this stuff, it's all outer. And it's, it's a dead end street.
Speaker 2:Now my business, my business is in the outer, but I tell people all the time, because they're so surprised that, you know, just because
Speaker 3:You meditate or you give time,
Speaker 2:She herself doesn't mean that you can't still engage with the outer world and lose your ego completely because there are only so many things that you can do inner. I mean, um, you know, I still like making people look good on the outside. People still want to have a nice home and work hard and achieve and accomplish things. But you can have both.
Speaker 3:No, you have to have both. Yeah. You have to have both. Yeah. That's point when I was saying that thing about, if we think only the outer and you see it all the time, people, I see it all the time. People come in with so much wealth, so much fame, so much power, beauty, empty inside, empty inside, but then you just are filling up from the inside and then all these other things are a joy. So absolutely. We want to look good. We want to feel good. We want to be successful. They say, talk about with transcendental meditation. We talk about living to hundred percent of life, a hundred percent inner and 100% ours. That's that's happening. You're having your cake and eating it too. No, it's exactly right. And one without the other is not enough. It's not balanced. Oh, I'm just going to own and meditate and get it. No, that's unnatural. And it's also unnatural to think that just running and forcing and all that stuff alone is going to be enough. Um,
Speaker 2:Did you ever, I mean, I know you, I know the answer to this is because you speak so much with so much knowledge about medicine and physiology and quantum physics. I mean, you clearly have an interest in this stuff, right? You're not total novice people just feeding you lines. Come on.
Speaker 3:No, the fact of the matter is I love life and I love everything about life. And, you know, I love the fact that emotions and, you know, happiness, sadness love hate that those actually are not emotions that are devoid of the limbic system and the cardiovascular system that it's one continuum. So my fascination with, and desire to be happy or, or to love or be loved and to know more about that extends all the way to, well, how is my body changing? Because the mind and body as you know, are one. And so I, I'm absolutely deeply fascinated by everything cause I think it's it's life. And, and I just think sometimes science has been taught, you know, with such words like, you know, ventral medial, this and the brain and there's off-putting. But the fact is there's a little parts of your brain that just influence everything and your life. And if you take, if you do something to eat something right, or get enough sleep or meditate, it has such profound effects in such tiny ways. It's life transforming. So I think it's really important for everyone to know what's going on in their brain, just as well as to know what's going on in their heart or their liver or their kidneys. Yeah. Don't you agree?
Speaker 2:It's unbelievable. And the, I mean, the fact that you connect the two, cause the people, these things aren't sitting on the opposite side of the cafeteria anymore, we can now talk about the mind body and all these things. And it's exactly why I'm sitting here. And I know that's why you've been doing this for 50 years because you have this belief and you know, the more you can share it, the better we're all going to be. And you know, this is why the most important question of this interview that's coming up is how are people going to find more about TIAA? Tell people where they can go, please, Bob.
Speaker 3:So simple, just go to T m.org. It's a nonprofit educational organization been around for 60 years, 10 million people have learned transcendental meditation from all religions or not religions, all educational backgrounds, cultures, nationalities, um, tm.org. You can find out on that where there's a local TM center near you. There's almost 200 of them in the U S you can call the center and find out where they can, you know, where there's an introductory, get an introductory talk online and then research it and then give it a try. You know, I, uh, people used to say, Oh, meditation, that's the, you know, that's for the wealthy people here or there, which is fine. They should have it, but it's for everybody, it's no longer just a luxury. This is now in this and she'll basis of a survival tool. I think a tool for survival and thriving.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Affordable people. It is very affordable. What it's done, what it's done for me, I feel like they should be getting a yearly VIG from me, but they don't. But I do show up to their events. I hope this summer in the Hamptons, I hope that we could shake hands again and meet face to face and share that journey. And I, I think, I think we will be able to do that. Um, please tell me, tell me,
Speaker 3:So when we hear Dr. Paul talk and he advises you to, uh, I know Frank, but I call you doctor. I have to please. When we hear, when you hear Dr. Paul, talk about we, you should do this for your health or eating or this or that or that it's wisdom. And it's it's wisdom. And it should not be just in one ear and out the next, we all want to be happy. We all want to be healthy. Nobody wants to suffer. And everybody's hopefully proactively aging, but we're aging and we want it to be smooth. And I'm telling you this. And he didn't ask me to say this. He has the wisdom of the ages and what he's talking about. And there's two sayings that I remember growing up. One is casual. Attention brings casual results. If you're just casual about something you put in the time, you want to have a good relationship with your children, you have to put in the time you want to have something good at work. You have to put in the time relationship with your partner. You put in the time, you want to have a good relationship with yourself. You put in the time, don't ignore it. And it's ACE of TM. It's just a few minutes profound effects. And the last thing I know I'm going on here, the last thing I want to say, I was taught growing up, the two things, two keys, fundamentals of success in life, no matter what it is, conviction, you believe deeply. And I believe in this relationship, I have a conviction in this relation. I have a conviction in what I'm doing, conviction. It's a vertical thing to the core of my being and persistence. That's horizontal over time. You're not going to get well over. Pardon? Grit. I like the word grit, grit, grit. Absolutely. Those two things are key to everything. So I'm really grateful to have been asked to be on the show. And I hope I get to,
Speaker 2:Well, you will. And I don't know if know this, just when you go, you could say goodbye to me. Do you know how famous your goodbye is on those, uh, on those phone calls, right? I mean, if I tell you my wife and I, and everyone, I know that does it, it just, there's something that just fills your heart with the way this guy says goodbye. And I'm going to give him a cue on a one to three. And I want him to say personally to me, the way he does it on the phone, because to me, it is just the cherry on the cake, Bob. And I know that they know or they hear it. So I was born in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1:Sort of some of my family members from the South. So my family growing up, we would just always say,
Speaker 2:Well, I started saying this on the calls and now anyway, so that's it. So Bob, thank you so much for coming on and I'm going to give you a cue and I wish you the best. I'm going to see you soon. One, two, three. Bye.
Speaker 1:Thanks everybody. All right, gang, that wraps it up for an episode of the pro aging podcast. Stay on the ride with us at Dr. Paul, Jared Frank on Instagram, Tik, TOK, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and probably some other ones that don't even know about as always wishing you all health, beauty and vitality happy pro aging people. Dr. Frank gal,